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Acosutical Programs

Question

>Is there a text, similar to those available on the basic principles of ray-tracing, which I could use to get an overview of the physics involved in room acoustics?

Reply

There are a number of texts on room acoustics (and many more on hall acoustics ). My favorite is "Room Acoustics" by H. Kuttruff. He discusses both ray and modal approximations as well as statistical room acoustics. He doesn't blanch at the necessary integral equations. One of my favorite examples from the book is the analysis of a room without a ceiling (e.g. a courtyard). All the normal assumptions about diffuse sound field fly out the window -- er, ceiling. Most acoustic modeling programs give totally incorrect results for this case, and some of them crash. Meanwhile Kuttruff takes a half page to prove that the decay curve is linear, not exponential. I guess that's why he's a professor and I'm not!

Asking

>The reason I ask is that my company is investigating a development project involving the use of simulation software to assist architects in acoustical design. To my limited knowledge of the subject, the principles - although complex - must be quantifiable, and to that end, we could use a 'bible' to work to.

Reply

If you are planning to change the world with a piece of software, you are in for a rude awakening. You and your company should be aware of the following points:

1) Software simulation of room and hall acoustics is an active university research topic, especially in Europe. A number of people have gotten PhDs working on these problems, before moving on to do work that they could actually get paid for.

2) There are already a number of commercial software packages that attempt to do acoustical simulation. I can think of five, just off hand.

3) Most of these packages produce results which are thoroughly unreliable. Even in the rather limited arena of PA cluster simulation which is often their target application, they produce results which are woefully inadequate, as pointed out in the latest issue of the Journal of the Audio Engineering Society [Seidel and Staffeldt, JAES, Vol. 44, No. 7/8 (July/August 1996)]. New high-resolution polar data for loudspeakers may improve the situation in the future, although the modeling of the room itself will still be wrong.

4) Even if the algorithms in the software package were reliable, the real limitation is the absence of a good data base describing the acoustical performance of various surface treatments. All the packages I've seen have used tabular data that are twenty or thirty years old. These data don't reflect current commercial products, and they don't account for performance differences arising from variability in installation. I'm sure the top two or three acoustical consulting firms have better data bases than what you find in the back of textbooks; I'm equally sure that they won't divulge these proprietary data to outside parties.

5) Sound system designers use computer modeling packages anyway because they are better than nothing, at least if you understand their limits. It is pretty common to ignore the program's predictions for reverberation time and enter measured field data instead. Of course, if the building in question doesn't exist yet, that's not possible.

6) One program that has a pretty good reputation for accuracy is B. Dalenback's CATT-Acoustic package. [http://www.netg.se/~catt/] The last time I saw it, it didn't have much of a user interface -- using it was more like programming than running a CAD package. This may have changed in later releases. I think it would be a useful tool for an acoustical consultant, but I can't imagine an architect using it. There's also a package called ODEON that appears to be pretty complete, and seems to have a more polished interface. [http://www.dat.dtu.dk/~odeon/]

7) The market leaders in the US are EASE, CADP2, and Modeler. I don't think any of them are very accurate, and they all take a long time to learn properly. Most people who buy them end up going to class for a week, although I learned EASE on my own.

8) An architect has no business using any of these packages to avoid hiring an acoustical consultant. It would be like buying Microsoft Excel in hopes of avoiding hiring a registered professional engineer to approve the foundation design.

There, I've finished venting my spleen. I've also just saved your employer a lot of money.

David L. Rick
drick@hach.com




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